tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post7850612747763479933..comments2023-07-07T04:02:25.375-04:00Comments on Sane Political Discourse: Tales of Teddy and AOTWPatrick Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-20111079519521415842009-09-02T20:05:08.622-04:002009-09-02T20:05:08.622-04:00I think I agree. You said it better. But they are ...I think I agree. You said it better. But they are pretty good at figuring out ways to transform taxpayer dollars into personal riches along the way.<br /><br />"Ask not what you can do for your country, but ask what your country can do for you" played out by reverse JFK's at the top levels of government.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-67589874736316000772009-09-02T10:19:30.447-04:002009-09-02T10:19:30.447-04:00Toad: If you're talking HelL-A,that's a l...Toad: If you're talking HelL-A,that's a local problem. And where the environment is pushed locally, it will eventually start killing. It's one reason I live where the chances of nature killing me are pretty low.<br /><br />And you're one of those that have no authority to talk about pissing on the dead, having been deleted for doing so in the past (which led to harsh enforcement of that rule).<br /><br />Dmarks: Have to disagree here. For government, it's not about money. It's about power. Money in that sense is only a conduit to that power. So if you can cut a program and blame the the other party, it's a win-win.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-81193316181511321532009-09-01T11:43:34.167-04:002009-09-01T11:43:34.167-04:00Toad: There's no cause and effect between poll...Toad: There's no cause and effect between pollution and any of LA's problems. Except for smog, and no-one named it.<br /><br />But actual scientific cause and effect is often forgotten in "man-made global warming" junk science. <br /><br />Patrick: Ever notice that when these social programs face budget shortfalls, those who run the (including leftists) insist on cutting services to the needy first, and the last thing they will let be cut is extravagant overpay of government officials?<br /><br />It shows where the priorities lie, and how "we are doing it to help the poor" is too often a very effective cover for a scam to get rich.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-77275849829113117332009-09-01T10:26:26.943-04:002009-09-01T10:26:26.943-04:00So now you agree that when you put tons of CO2 in ...So now you agree that when you put tons of CO2 in the air eventually the planet will start wiping out some of our cities that are producing that CO2??<br /><br />Don't look now but you came awfully close to "pissing on the dead".Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-60408995313451879822009-08-31T23:40:56.743-04:002009-08-31T23:40:56.743-04:00Rocky: I try not to kick people when they're ...Rocky: I try not to kick people when they're down, even when it's through their own insanity in living in a state that lacks the ability to survive without massive irrigation.<br /><br />Tommy the Spam: Since Dmarks indicates you are a spammer, and since you want to take the funeral as a reason to tear into Bush, I'll treat you as I do all spammers.<br /><br />Dmarks: Thanks for semi-policing my blog while I'm chasing kids. Your point does deserve a future post though.<br /><br />Although if people had the sense to cut and run due to the taxes, we'd have fewer problems in Cali.<br /><br />101: Wait your turn. I'll get you asshatted eventually. I just have to have a slow news week. But no bailouts!<br /><br />Saty: Usually I take it in order, but i saved you for last because I knew you'd need the most comments. <br /><br />First, it's best to ignore spammers, agree or disagree. And now to the important stuff:<br /><br />1. I live in a relatively safe place. A little risk of tornadoes, an occasional blizzard or ice storm, and flooding is minimal, as I'm on high ground (all rivers flow from this area). Even the remnants of hurricanes can get us (try Googling "Hurricane Ike Dayton Ohio"). California specifically is a disaster area, yet a lot of people live there despite the myriad problems (like wildfires every year (you don't get direct hurricane hits that often). It's insane.<br /><br />2. No argument here. I've seen similar effects on clear cut areas in southern Ohio. A bare hillside becomes a tangle of brush in a couple of years, and a decent stand of woods in 15 years. And take the devastation of Mount St Helens. Nature repaired most of the damage in a little over 20 years. A little fire is a good thing.<br /><br />California, however, is barely able to support 1/10 of its population without massive public works projects. Add to that the greatest concentration of kookburger agendas (including not clearing all that flammable brush) and you're bound to have a lot of shit burn. Thus the legacy of Smokey.<br /><br />Smokey is an emblem of not burning, thus he's the asshat.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-44987577839478684022009-08-31T16:30:00.377-04:002009-08-31T16:30:00.377-04:00And all who built in fire zones will expect a gove...And all who built in fire zones will expect a government bailout.<br /><br /> I'm still slighted at your ignoring me for AOTW, but I agree Smokey is a good and appropriate choice.Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-17195088238615130132009-08-31T14:11:01.381-04:002009-08-31T14:11:01.381-04:00Not the least of California's disaster is the ...Not the least of California's disaster is the state government, when it votes for unnecessary, punitive, and very destructive tax increases.<br /><br />But.... good points on the fire, all around.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-80074157059859743402009-08-31T13:12:18.690-04:002009-08-31T13:12:18.690-04:00I'm gonna ignore D for the nonce because I rea...I'm gonna ignore D for the nonce because I really liked what Tom had to say, but I didn't want to comment about Teddy anyway.<br /><br />The whole thing with fires is a big deal, and I think that people who start fires (and don't put them out) should be punished severely.<br /><br />That being said, there's two points to consider:<br /><br />1. Everywhere you live, you have a potential disaster to deal with. It's pick your poison. If you live in CA, you have a smorgasbord: earthquakes, mudslides, Santa Anas and fires. If you live in SD, you can get like 15 feet of snow (or whatever). If you live in Wilmington, you have a cosmic bullseye on you that says ALL HURRICANES HERE. If you live in Kansas, well, welcome to Oz, and if you live anywhere near the rest of the middle of the country, keep a boat, cause you're in the flood zone.<br /><br />People need to consider the risks and benefits of where they live. If you live in a fire zone, I would imagine that, just like hurricane insurance and flood insurance, you pay a fortune in fire insurance. You don't go into it blind. That doesn't mean I would like to see people die or their homes destroyed, just that they didn't go into it blind. I'm sorry for them and I'd like to help if I can, but it's part of the risk you take to live where you live.<br /><br />2. More important than this is the concept of controlled burns. You're absolutely right that a fire is a vital part of the cycle in forests and many seeds don't germinate until they've been scorched. It's all part of the renewal. Previously, the thought was to keep everything as untouched as possible, but rangers and forestry people know now that the best way to keep the system healthy is by burning (or allowing a burn in) portions of it every year or so. By carefully monitoring and rotating through, it not only keeps the overall system healthy, but actually prevents uncontrolled/uncontrollable burns by (artifically) created natural firebreaks.<br /><br />In CA, the cards are stacked against these kinds of things what with the winds and so on, but it's important to recognize that conservation efforts can and do a lot of prevention by utilizing the very thing that's so destructive. By working with nature's system and cycle, not against it, it's possible to be both natural and created at the same time.<br /><br />I think Smokey rocks, personally.Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-59166818033718419412009-08-31T12:19:32.040-04:002009-08-31T12:19:32.040-04:00Looks like Tom is spamming. I've seen this bit...Looks like Tom is spamming. I've seen this bit of mindless bush-bashing at least one other blog.<br /><br />And then there is the silly claim that "Liberalism are in perfect harmony with our Christianity"<br /><br />Liberalism has nothing to do with "the hungry, shelter the poor and clothe the naked.", and everything to do with enriching and empowering the rulers. It is truly the greedy ideology.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-83270363713102710162009-08-31T10:47:50.151-04:002009-08-31T10:47:50.151-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Tom Deganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17911175264811957550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-86005452412418783632009-08-31T10:46:44.958-04:002009-08-31T10:46:44.958-04:00Patrick - I think you should have included in your...Patrick - I think you should have included in your AOTW all the arrogant, self-centered Californians who insist on building their homes on those hillsides even though they have been repeatedly warned about the dangers of natural fires in those areas or perhaps the state and county officials that allow those areas to be built up at the behest and subsequent payoff from greedy developers who could give a shit less what they destroy.<br />I have a boatload of sympathy for the families of those two firefighters - for the idiots who HAD to build there; a pox upon their sorry asses!rockynchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00772988855661101621noreply@blogger.com