tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post7633587111695905488..comments2023-07-07T04:02:25.375-04:00Comments on Sane Political Discourse: Life, Liberty,...and PropertyPatrick Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-21399928668411170952008-08-14T17:11:00.000-04:002008-08-14T17:11:00.000-04:00Saty: You've read about as much of my blog as I h...Saty: You've read about as much of my blog as I have of yours.<BR/><BR/>Other than political viewpoint, you think I'm any more right that you?<BR/><BR/>Beth: I always wait until the kids are in bed before I multitask, as I don't want them walking in on me.<BR/><BR/>Wait a minute.... :)<BR/><BR/>Obob: Like the ability to find deep meaning in the Weird Al Yankovic movie <I>UHF</I>?Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-30667218034850871322008-08-13T23:22:00.000-04:002008-08-13T23:22:00.000-04:00there are advantages to be being borderline ADHDthere are advantages to be being borderline ADHDObobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261733108326045809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-74243407500590954432008-08-13T22:07:00.000-04:002008-08-13T22:07:00.000-04:00One must be careful when multitasking, Patrick!One must be careful when multitasking, Patrick!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04069893764658122257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-73807742702074864782008-08-13T21:38:00.000-04:002008-08-13T21:38:00.000-04:00You already heard me say I ain't right.This is dir...You already heard me say I ain't right.<BR/><BR/>This is directly related to my thoughts on the general lack-of-healthcare situation as it pertains to my specific-lack-of-healthcare situation at the moment.<BR/><BR/>SO because you haven't been reading the blog long enough to know how things get sometimes when I ain't right, I ain't gonna argue.<BR/><BR/>But it ain't pretty.Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-58983354075170680562008-08-13T20:52:00.000-04:002008-08-13T20:52:00.000-04:00No, I'm just disjointed when I type. I actually t...No, I'm just disjointed when I type. I actually typed the response to Obob first, stated in on Satyavati, then started you, went back to her, then added the tag on the end of Obob because I really didn't have anything to add to your comment.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and I was fielding tech calls throughout that. <BR/><BR/>So my thought process is downright loopificated, if I ask me. It even produces words like 'loopificated,' for example.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-88412365786332430352008-08-13T18:39:00.000-04:002008-08-13T18:39:00.000-04:00Did I leave you speechless? lolI agree that conse...Did I leave you speechless? lol<BR/><BR/>I agree that conservatism IS optimism, optimism in the individual, and optimism in the Constitution!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04069893764658122257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-68544399707212901862008-08-13T18:03:00.000-04:002008-08-13T18:03:00.000-04:00Saty: That's why I say there's justification and ...Saty: That's why I say there's justification and reasoning behind every program out there, and that they do some good. But the problem is that government keeps growing, extending its reach, and we lose freedom as a result. That's why I don't say we should eliminate every government entity not expressly specified in the Constitution. But there seems to be no limits on how many problems an individual can run into if they run afoul of entities with the powers of the EPA. <BR/><BR/>By the way, we have a lake here too (<A HREF="http://www.seemore.org/" REL="nofollow">Grand Lake St Marys</A>), and we've had our share of problems with it. I'm just hesitant to hand off may of those issues to the fed when they could be solved at the state or (even better) local level.<BR/><BR/>Another take on this, which relates to your <A HREF="http://roadtobraj.blogspot.com/2008/08/in-free-world.html" REL="nofollow">post on heath care</A>:<BR/><BR/>Right now, we have money sucked from our checks to feed Medicare. I'm looking at mine right now, next to deductions for Social Security, state tax, local tax, and school district tax (EIC eliminates my federal taxes). In total, that's about 10% (my present income really sucks) of my check that various entities take to fund things. How much would it cost me if you add a tax to pay for health care for everyone? And why does another entity get to decide how my money should be spent?<BR/><BR/>Beth: <BR/><BR/>Obob: Conservatism <B>is</B> optimism!<BR/><BR/>Also, both you and Beth have most excellent points.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-43981625178876028542008-08-13T10:56:00.000-04:002008-08-13T10:56:00.000-04:00I can be a terminal optimist at times. Tragic fla...I can be a terminal optimist at times. Tragic flawObobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261733108326045809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-48242675306583493212008-08-13T10:52:00.000-04:002008-08-13T10:52:00.000-04:00And another frightening infringment on our freedom...And another frightening infringment on our freedoms that too many Americans are willing to give the government control over is our energy consumption. Don't people realize that if that is regualted by the government in the name of the greater good, we're at the mercy of them for almost every aspect of our lives?? This was not what patriots died for in the Revolutionary War folks.<BR/><BR/>Obob, you expect state run educational system to properly teach kids this??Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04069893764658122257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-72980363795239235752008-08-13T10:06:00.000-04:002008-08-13T10:06:00.000-04:00and as for eminant domain. Which is part of the C...and as for eminant domain. Which is part of the Constitution, half my parents neighborhood is becoming an interstate. So the people from Kokomo can save five inutes on their commute. <BR/>Government in action!!!!!!!!Obobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261733108326045809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-52222655993275074422008-08-13T10:05:00.000-04:002008-08-13T10:05:00.000-04:00andandObobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261733108326045809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-54579945309505332172008-08-13T08:55:00.000-04:002008-08-13T08:55:00.000-04:00But in the end, people come to depend on the gover...But in the end, people come to depend on the government to do everything for them. People pay the taxes to make sure we don't run with scissors, then demand medical aid when we were dumb enough to poke our eye out. If we effectively educated the masses, they would know not to. Thus avoid injury. (subtle reference to Katrina kids)<BR/>The less taxes, the less government programs for people to depend on. The less people depend on the government, the more free they are. It's a progression thing.<BR/>Do we need some government oversight, obviously. Look at Love Canal to the Patriot Act to NCLB. But they can go away after the mess has been cleaned up. Cut the programs back and terminate the employment of government leeches who have a job to keep them happy and complacent.Obobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06261733108326045809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-30774750285112248782008-08-13T05:20:00.000-04:002008-08-13T05:20:00.000-04:00All I'm gonna say here is that I have spent my ent...All I'm gonna say here is that I have spent my entire life living with EPA regulations and I appreciate them. We lived on a lake when I was a kid and I spent most of my time in or on the water. There were some problems with people with very old homes that were designed to be used 1-2 weeks a year. Their septics drained directly into the lake. When these became fulltime homes this was obviously a problem. The EPA got it straightened out.<BR/><BR/>In Wilmington keeping the wetlands safe is a very big deal to a lot of people and a lot of good work has been done to make sure they don't get ruined.<BR/><BR/>Where we live now, the two big lakes in the county are owned by Progress Energy. Each has a plant and you can see the steam and so on pretty much all the time. The EPA is all over these people. Each lake is seriously protected and the one in our backyard has a 400' zone around it where nothing can be touched. The amount of regulation is intense even for regular people to build a house because of the septics and so on but for PE it's a hundred times more. But no one seems to mind, because the lakes are beautiful and the fact that the regulations keep idiots and big power companies from messing them up keeps property values up, development continuing, and provides an actual tourism industry in a county that has absolutely nothing else except tobacco and soybean fields. For an area with a median household income of $37K you can imagine the benefit of tourists coming to fish, swim, boat, hunt and pay money for all of the above.<BR/><BR/>If PE and general people didn't have these rules to follow they wouldn't, and we'd be looking at a big nasty wet hole in the ground. It does cost more money (sometimes, it didn't for us) to make sure your septic is right and EPA-OK. But by keeping the impact on the lake to near nil, everyone benefits both on a personal level and financially with the money brought in.<BR/><BR/>Like all things, this is a two sided coin.<BR/><BR/>Have a good day.Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.com