tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post7461570038806729242..comments2023-07-07T04:02:25.375-04:00Comments on Sane Political Discourse: March of the Big LiePatrick Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-62150223484649792182010-04-25T17:15:30.087-04:002010-04-25T17:15:30.087-04:00thelospoher: I'm the one spewing the vitriol?...thelospoher: I'm the one spewing the vitriol? This post is about the vitriol being spewed toward me. When someone is screaming at you about how stupid and racist and Nazi you are, do you calmly state, "I politely disagree with that assessment?"<br /><br />I do my best not to fire off posts filled with invectives about how "evil/stupid/socialist/whatever" the political opposition is, and I try to stick to issues. <br /><br />But there has to be a balance, and when someone is attacking you incessantly, sometimes you have to state it back in just as crude terms. Because you're certainly not addressing someone who wants to have a philosophical debate.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-5175189952308499862010-04-24T11:18:14.437-04:002010-04-24T11:18:14.437-04:00Patrick: You are right. Toad is referring to incid...Patrick: You are right. Toad is referring to incidents that have been proven to be hoaxes.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-81871446380644026212010-04-22T10:07:01.815-04:002010-04-22T10:07:01.815-04:00Patrick M., there are many conservatives who have ...Patrick M., there are many conservatives who have had genuinely intelligent arguments for ther views. But the vitriol that you spew is counter-productive. If you want to see your agenda come to be, your political discourse needs to have decorum. Otherwise you'll be lumped in with the right-wing crazies. The left is winning the debate because you (and others) resort to schoolyard vulgarities which ditract from an otherwise legitimate conservative argument.Arlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11357678494751965786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-58237271534063819052010-04-21T18:25:47.411-04:002010-04-21T18:25:47.411-04:00SDD said: "Patrick for chrissake I haven'...SDD said: "Patrick for chrissake I haven't seen yet one intellectual argument come forth from the vaunted TP"<br /><br />Go to a rally sometime. Both I attended were quite intellectual, and none had any "government out of Medicare" messages anywhere to be seen or heard.<br /><br />"And so far, no one's been able to convince me that this is much more than a very loud, pissed off group of confused people being herded about like so many unknowing political pawns."<br /><br />Now that sounds like the "anti-war movement" of the middle Bush years!<br /><br />In actuality, this was truly grass-roots. From the ground up. No herding at all. I know several tea party activists and have watched them organize over the past year. There's no Fearless Leader at the top of it.<br /><br />Toad said: "No I didn't see those links but you said "We", in all those protester videos I see about 70% white men, and about 95% white."<br /><br />Hmmm. Sounds like you are racial profiling. So where's the other half of your racist argument?<br /><br />Patrick asked: "And are you actually worrying about counting heads?"<br /><br />Race matters mainly to racists. And you will see in this blog debate, and in pretty much all the others, that the only ones with the racial attitude and arguments are the people who bash the tea-party movement.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-18187393395254909412010-04-20T19:27:08.483-04:002010-04-20T19:27:08.483-04:00Which videos? The ones that contain all the worst...Which videos? The ones that contain all the worst the Tea Parties have to offer? The ones handpicked to show how "marginal" the Tea Party is? <br /><br />And are you actually worrying about counting heads? White, white, white, 3/4 white, sort of whitish, white enough, token black, white...?<br /><br /><i>All of whoms taxes have gone down under Obama.</i><br /><br />Let's deal with the Obama tax "cuts." First, they are some of those behavior credits that did drop taxes for the majority in 2009. But then you add back in the taxes coming for the unconstitutional Obamacare, the Cap and Tax legislation on the table, the insidious VAT that is being tossed around, and the elimination of existing tax cuts, and those "cuts" aren't looking so promising. And even every tax i just listed, if cranked to maximum pain, WILL NOT COVER THE DEBT WE ARE BUILDING UP!<br /><br />The word of the day is "unsustainable." It's the point that my next post will outline, and a problem that has been building longer than I've been pissing standing up.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-71167098909512287782010-04-20T17:17:18.576-04:002010-04-20T17:17:18.576-04:00No I didn't see those links but you said "...No I didn't see those links but you said "We", in all those protester videos I see about 70% white men, and about 95% white....All of whoms taxes have gone down under Obama.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-49233306710345996302010-04-20T15:24:09.778-04:002010-04-20T15:24:09.778-04:00They may not openly encourage violence but they do...They may not openly encourage violence but they do release addresses of congressmen and leave coffins in their yards, spit on congressmen and break their windows...They aren't the typical right wing bomb throwers with the guns and pioneer costumes but its close. And no, the Teaparty isn't multicultural, its white people whose taxes have actually gone down under Obama.<br /><br />And these same people don't want their social security taken away, they don't want their public schools taken away, they don' want their medicare taken away; they think the black president is going to give black people the same things they have been given. They think a black guy is going to give to other black people and that's what they are pissed about. They weren't out on the streets when Bush was giving away money to rich white people. <br /><br />I guarantee when we no longer have a black president, this party will shrivel. <br /><br />Bush increased both the size of the government, the strength of the government and debt of the government more than any president before him and where were these people when Howdy Doody was doing all this?? <br /><br />It's a movement based on a lie. These are the same people who think Obama is coming for their guns. Obama mentions gun control as about as often as Bush could name the capital of the country he was invading yet lies from the right propagate this rumor to the ignorant masses and so they rush to buy guns and ammunition even though Obama has actually expanded gun rights more than any Democratic president in the last 30 years.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-25960781533364653392010-04-19T20:07:09.292-04:002010-04-19T20:07:09.292-04:00Satyavati: Blah, fucking, blah.
You obviously ha...Satyavati: Blah, fucking, blah.<br /><br />You obviously haven't read or watched anything but shit produced by people I referred to as "ignorant sluts" above then.<br /><br />OK, Give me a couple of minutes to Google....<br /><br />....<br /><br />Here we go with links:<br /><br />http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=142545<br /><br />http://blog.heritage.org/2009/04/15/morning-bell-the-tea-party-movement/<br /><br />http://blog.heritage.org/2010/04/09/in-the-green-room-judge-andrew-napolitano-on-tea-parties-and-why-obamacare-is-unconstitutional/<br /><br />http://blog.heritage.org/2010/01/27/video-why-the-tea-party-is-great-for-america/<br /><br />http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhsxmzm7_19fcdzskg5<br /><br />The point is, if you want to look for the retarded talking point, you're going to find the retarded talking point. And if you want to use the retarded talking point to dismiss the intelligent ideas (including most of my recent posts), then you can count yourself in the ranks of ignorant sluts.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-82080898777922243272010-04-19T19:46:59.257-04:002010-04-19T19:46:59.257-04:00Patrick for chrissake I haven't seen yet one i...Patrick for chrissake I haven't seen yet one intellectual argument come forth from the vaunted TP. I've seen a lot of the 'government better stay out of my Medicare' shit, though. I've seen a lot of racist shit. I've seen a lot of 'all liberals are antiamerican communosocioMarxists' shit. I've seen a lot of Obama=Hitler shit.<br /><br />Now, you may go on and claim this all represents .0001% of said TP, but like I said, all I ever see is Michelle Bachmann and the adored Sarah Palin mouthing off, and Glenn Beck with his cryptic anagrams and tears, and Limbaugh with his endless bullshit. And so far, no one's been able to convince me that this is much more than a very loud, pissed off group of confused people being herded about like so many unknowing political pawns.<br /><br />So please.. can't win the intellectual argument? If the TP has one, it's come from you, because so far none of the others have put forth anything worth calling intellect.Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.com