tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post5994299355948701373..comments2023-07-07T04:02:25.375-04:00Comments on Sane Political Discourse: Arizona and the InvasionPatrick Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-51124184515102712032010-05-02T23:39:09.698-04:002010-05-02T23:39:09.698-04:00"So instead of going after the rich white peo..."So instead of going after the rich white people..."<br /><br />Toad the racist appears, showing that there is racism on the issue on the other end. Never mind the <i>fact</i> that rich people of all colors like to hire the best workers. And the fact that a whole lot of small businesses hire illegal aliens too. Small business owners aren't rich, unless you are Obama and declare that small business people are all over-advantaged and should "share the wealth" with rich ruling elites.<br /><br />And sometimes Mexicans do jobs better than Americans do. That's really much of what is going on.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-10286192741983548742010-04-30T10:58:44.989-04:002010-04-30T10:58:44.989-04:00Not once did you, or has the Arizona bill mentione...Not once did you, or has the Arizona bill mentioned the real problem which is the companies who are hiring these people. Sure there are the people who come across the border and start their own businesses and those who deal in drugs as their business but most of them are coming for the jobs. So instead of going after the rich white people who are hiring these people and enticing them to come here in the first place (well, other than our corn subsidies which put mexican farmers out of business and us draining their water supply from the Rio Grande to water the lawns of Phoenix suburbs) Arizona gives the right of law enforcement to legally use racial profiling as a means of them doing the job of immigration officials.<br /><br />It's like trying to deal with a leaking dam with a mop instead of fixing the crack.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-55865632674186965072010-04-28T16:33:24.146-04:002010-04-28T16:33:24.146-04:00Dave (and Saty to a lesser extent): That's wh...Dave (and Saty to a lesser extent): That's why I didn't jump on the yay bandwagon for this law. Because it's going to have law enforcement in a much more active role in enforcing immigration policy, I welcome some legal challenges to make sure the law is tight. Furthermore, it's a law that does require some vigilance over how it is enforced. And if it does turn into a "shake down the Latinos" law, I'll be glad to join in calling for its repeal. But my understanding so far (which I'm going to get increased soon by reading the actual bill, as I have another post in mind over this) is that 1. police have to have a lawful reason to engage the person before they can check legality, 2. a valid AZ drivers license is proof enough, and 3. there's no imposition on people here legally because they're supposed to carry their green cards 24/7 anyway (according to federal law). Under those guidelines, I'm not seeing the problem here. But like I said, I still have to look at the actual law.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-49424637696136759772010-04-27T14:30:53.994-04:002010-04-27T14:30:53.994-04:00SDD: Great point on the Macedonians/etc. Now under...SDD: Great point on the Macedonians/etc. Now under this Arizona law, it is conceivable that Native Americans who happen to look kinda Mexican might be confronted.<br /><br />"Go back to your country!"dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-51541013098168136022010-04-26T19:57:49.948-04:002010-04-26T19:57:49.948-04:00Saty, you may like my post on this.
Patrick, befo...Saty, you may like my post on this.<br /><br />Patrick, before you say no one will be targeted just because they lok a certain way, remember Congressman Bibray of California said that we could tell simply by looking who was an illegal.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-7538009975834892142010-04-26T17:59:33.924-04:002010-04-26T17:59:33.924-04:00The problem with this bill is that it opens the do...The problem with this bill is that it opens the door for all kinds of abuses.<br /><br />If one of my Estonian or Macedonian or French friends (who are here with possibly dubious green cards, I don't ask and they don't tell) were to wander the streets of Arizona, not a one of them would be stopped, asked, investigated or anything else.<br /><br />If my friend from Mexico, who's here legally, walked around in Arizona, there's a terribly good chance she would be. Stopped, asked, investigated and everything else.<br /><br />That's the problem with this. If you don't like the way someone looks, you're free to do all this shit to them. It doesn't address shit fairly.<br /><br />Granted, how many Estonian immigrants are here illegally? Not actually the point. The point is that the law is pretty much targeting people who aren't white and speak with an accent.<br /><br />It just leaves too many holes open for abuse.Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-76075098573301527232010-04-26T17:00:39.243-04:002010-04-26T17:00:39.243-04:00Patrick, here is part of the answer as to why we h...Patrick, here is part of the answer as to why we have a problem.<br /><br />Both sides are desirous of scoring political points off the issue.<br /><br />Witness the title of Mikes America post, "Why does Obama not take border security seriously?"<br /><br />To my knowledge, the Obama Admin has not put forth their plan yet.<br /><br />However the Bush Admin did in fact endorse a immigration reform bill that included, in part, some form of, depending on who you talk to, amnesty.<br /><br />Did our esteemed GOP supporting friend write a post with this type of inflammatory title then?<br /><br />No.<br /><br />Let's score points rather than work towards solutions.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.com