tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post5758425003256610705..comments2023-07-07T04:02:25.375-04:00Comments on Sane Political Discourse: Thursday MinutiaPatrick Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-88613845850368046482008-07-24T13:11:00.000-04:002008-07-24T13:11:00.000-04:00Do you just wait to jump on my comments? Damn, yo...Do you just wait to jump on my comments? Damn, you had to be typing as fast as I was on another post.<BR/><BR/>I'm waiting to see that oil money....<BR/><BR/>But as for why we pay the militias that amount and the others more is simple: You get what you pay for.<BR/><BR/>As for the "bribe", if it buys us a stable enough country to start withdrawal, I'll take it.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-83226840674891757592008-07-24T13:05:00.000-04:002008-07-24T13:05:00.000-04:00There isn't a whole lot of oil flowing out of Iraq...There isn't a whole lot of oil flowing out of Iraq right now, hence $4.40 per gallon.<BR/><BR/>They actually change the subject and move on to the economy and there are better videos out there that don't end so abruptly but he does confirm what we are doing.<BR/><BR/>Yes, "providing security", If by providing security they mean don't shoot us, then yes, they are providing security. Then why are we still paying Blackwater $1,219 per man, per day if we have the cheaper security in the militias? Or why are our soldiers still there making $164 per day?<BR/><BR/>It's a bribe to make it look like the surge is working. If Obama wins, they will stop payment and let them run wild again.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-9507983369055898362008-07-24T12:54:00.000-04:002008-07-24T12:54:00.000-04:00Toad: After wading through the propaganda (and pr...Toad: After wading through the propaganda (and proudly watching Tony fight a 4 on 1 battle with a smile (his answer got strangely cut off)) I finally found enough information to at least warrant a <B>partial</B> correction.<BR/><BR/>It looks like we're paying the local militias to provide some security in their home areas. The only thing I question about that is why that money isn't coming from Iraqi oil.<BR/><BR/>And you complain that I follow only propaganda?Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-53208448817473079772008-07-23T13:40:00.000-04:002008-07-23T13:40:00.000-04:00Wait, you aren't aware of this? We make daily paym...Wait, you aren't aware of this? We make daily payments to the Militias.<BR/><BR/>Even Tony Snow doesn't refute it:<BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP7quvcxQCM<BR/><BR/>Its at the very end.<BR/><BR/>Here is an article which includes the payment to these militias.<BR/><BR/>http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=17899543<BR/><BR/>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/03/AR2007080302322.html<BR/><BR/>And an article by Reagans former Asst. Sec. of the Treasury:<BR/>http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts02192008.html<BR/><BR/>So go ahead and do a post about it, that will be a very easy debate to have. Again, just because it's not on Fox New, or Rush Limbaugh doesn't talk about it, doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. That's why you have got to wean yourself off that poison.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-53924667200006912682008-07-22T16:50:00.000-04:002008-07-22T16:50:00.000-04:00What happens when we stop paying off the Sunnis an...<I>What happens when we stop paying off the Sunnis and all the other militias?</I><BR/><BR/>What conspiracy rag did you paste that line off of? Seriously. I need a good laugh.<BR/><BR/>This reminds me of the global warming arguments. Keep saying the same thing over and over until it happens, then claim it as proof that you are right. Again, fodder for another post.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-35882200990792932272008-07-22T16:45:00.000-04:002008-07-22T16:45:00.000-04:00They are starting to sound like the Democrats last...They are starting to sound like the Democrats last year, 2 years ago and Obama 5 years ago. I would say they are either figuring out the left was right on this one, or yes they have all grown vaginas and become flag burning democrats.<BR/><BR/>What happens when we stop paying off the Sunnis and all the other militias?Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-64171632614977146072008-07-22T08:41:00.000-04:002008-07-22T08:41:00.000-04:00Okay, in case you missed it, Obama originally said...Okay, in case you missed it, Obama originally said he, as President, would do so without precondition. He backed off on that one. But right now, something changed that opened this expanded dialogue, but not without precondition. More to come.<BR/><BR/>And if you say we should pull out for years, it doesn't make you right the whole time when the time comes that we can pull out.<BR/><BR/>Or you're right ant the GOP is going left. I need a drinkPatrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-71174242452865048602008-07-21T11:57:00.000-04:002008-07-21T11:57:00.000-04:00I like how when Obama says he will talk to Iran he...I like how when Obama says he will talk to Iran he is a traitor with no experience, when Rice talks to Iran its ok. When Obama says we should have the troops out in a year or so he's a liberal pussy with no experience but then comes the Republicans, in an election year, talking about how the time has maybe come to start pulling out troops.<BR/><BR/>Sounds like they are taking leads from the Democrats and selling it as their own idea.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-74297768666802202122008-07-18T15:50:00.000-04:002008-07-18T15:50:00.000-04:00But if we withdrawal, they win! Right? Isn't that ...<I>But if we withdrawal, they win! Right? Isn't that what they told the Democrats?</I><BR/><BR/>There's a difference between withdrawal and leaving when the job is done. And according to today's news, the Iraqi government is almost ready.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-35093432733616767752008-07-18T13:24:00.000-04:002008-07-18T13:24:00.000-04:00I think Obama is wrong. Sure, Since the surge, Ira...I think Obama is wrong. Sure, Since the surge, Iraq has become a little more stable but what isn't taken into account is that Afghanistan has become less stable. I would rather have Iraq unstable than Afghanistan. After all, Afghanistan is where the terrorists are, the heroin is, the training camps, etc. Iraq has nothing but Oil...Oh wait, Ok, I get it.<BR/><BR/>But if we withdrawal, they win! Right? Isn't that what they told the Democrats?Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-68505929407689415382008-07-18T11:45:00.000-04:002008-07-18T11:45:00.000-04:00Toad: You could at least present a moving target....Toad: You could at least present a moving target....<BR/><BR/>Obama stepped off the claim that the surge was a mistake because it worked. Obama has it right, you have it wrong.<BR/><BR/><I>the war mongers said Iraq was too violent to pull out now they are saying it’s too peaceful to pull out.</I><BR/><BR/>Last time I looked, the administration was looking at accelerating the withdrawal.<BR/><BR/><I>Removing the gas tax? Then how will we ever be able to afford to pay Blackwater 6x the amount we pay a US soldier for doing the same job? How could we possibly invade Iran with no money? Something to think about.</I><BR/><BR/>Do you really need me to give you the list of things we could cut instead? There's not enough space on this blog for that.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-45738109866389025122008-07-17T14:59:00.000-04:002008-07-17T14:59:00.000-04:00What Obama should have said is that the surge was ...What Obama should have said is that the surge was a mistake and has failed; it has failed Afghanistan. By pulling troops from the National Guard or out of Afghanistan and sending them to Iraq the deaths in Iraq have decreased while increasing deaths, attacks and the strength of the Taliban. These two events happened simultaneously, the surge in Iraq created instability in Afghanistan. <BR/><BR/>Oh, and don't pretend that the Surge is the only thing responsible for the lull in violence in Iraq. Us paying off militias plays a big part in that as does the Iraqi army finally getting to a place where it can deal with its own problems. Now that the surge is over, Iraq hasn't sprung back into chaos, yet, so you have to ask yourself if we don't need the troops there now, did we need them the entire time.<BR/><BR/>Obama is right about one thing, the war mongers said Iraq was too violent to pull out now they are saying it’s too peaceful to pull out. You guys really don't want to win or see this thin end because there is too much money in it for Exxon, Blackwater, Halliburton, etc.<BR/><BR/>Don't pretend that the surge in violence in Afghanistan has nothing to do with the surge in Iraq. And remember, we had no reason to go into Iraq. Afghanistan attacked us; the Terrorists were in Afghanistan, Iran and N. Korea were the ones developing WMDs.<BR/><BR/>Removing the gas tax? Then how will we ever be able to afford to pay Blackwater 6x the amount we pay a US soldier for doing the same job? How could we possibly invade Iran with no money? Something to think about.Toad734https://www.blogger.com/profile/01450263690181812924noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-75353344234008875152008-07-17T14:08:00.000-04:002008-07-17T14:08:00.000-04:00Beth: McCain would get ink if he had a pulse. Un...Beth: McCain would get ink if he had a pulse. Unfortunately, it's hard for anybody to care when he pisses off his own party, turns of liberals, then turns in teleprompter performances that barely qualify for C-SPAN coverage. <BR/><BR/>My problem with Bush is that he had 6 years with the GOP in power to get things done, and all we did was get into war and grow the government.<BR/><BR/>Kris: I'll take 40 cents.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-62376372288724518032008-07-17T10:38:00.000-04:002008-07-17T10:38:00.000-04:00i think i heard somewhere, maybe when mccain wante...i think i heard somewhere, maybe when mccain wanted a tax holiday on gas, that removing the gas tax would only lower our price by 40 to 60 cents. <BR/><BR/>kwKrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18436490783036974851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-21232413964755099802008-07-17T09:29:00.000-04:002008-07-17T09:29:00.000-04:00I get on my Yahoo front page a feed for political ...I get on my Yahoo front page a feed for political news and I'd say Obama gets more top headlines than McCain. Not that I like McCain, but if I did I would be pissed. Even when Obama is whining, or Jackson is talking trash about Obama, he is garning much more attention than McCain.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, Bush is a lame duck and you have to wonder why he bothers, except that perhaps his actions can be a help or a hinderance to his party's candidate. So, I'd say his press conference was such an attempt, but I'm not sure which he was trying to do!Bethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04069893764658122257noreply@blogger.com