tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post2275616031059042391..comments2023-07-07T04:02:25.375-04:00Comments on Sane Political Discourse: Joint AnalysisPatrick Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-33392342158086372552009-03-01T07:35:00.000-05:002009-03-01T07:35:00.000-05:00Arthur: "Biscuits aren't people dmarks."But langug...Arthur: "Biscuits aren't people dmarks."<BR/><BR/>But languge is language, so your point is meaningless. I can, if you want, use another analogy: "Indonesian people means the same as People of Indonesia". There goes the objection, as Indonesians are people. People of color means the same thing as colored people. I disdain both terms equally. But I was not the one here to start bashing Jindal for being colored, of color, or whatever.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"'Colored people' is, to a very great many. Insulting. <BR/>Why is that so hard for you to grasp?"<BR/><BR/>It's not hard to grasp. But they are being idiots if they are offended by "colored people" and not "people of color". It's the same thing. Like getting bent out of shape at calling "people of Indonesia" "Indonesian people". It's really stupid.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-58442594301172193512009-02-28T17:27:00.000-05:002009-02-28T17:27:00.000-05:00Biscuits aren't people dmarks. This is another in ...Biscuits aren't people dmarks. <BR/><BR/>This is another in an endless series of episodes surrounding power and privilege.<BR/><BR/>'Colored people' is, to a very great many. Insulting. <BR/>Why is that so hard for you to grasp?<BR/><BR/>It's considered demeaning and to watch a middle-class white guy insist it shouldn't is pretty funny. I anm always mystified why good manners is dismissed by a great many as 'political correctness'.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Language and attitudes evolve. For example we don't use 'oriental' so much anymore. Likewise I remember how put out a lot of Americans were when an anglicized, colonial era Peking became Beijing. Or Bombay, Mumbai. Usually it's a marked improvement as well. Had you rather visit Leghorn or Livorno (nee Legorno)?<BR/><BR/>Same with 'colored people'. Folks everywhere have earned the right to define their own stories.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-89786296892083554912009-02-28T17:24:00.000-05:002009-02-28T17:24:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-68217676672035318802009-02-28T15:58:00.000-05:002009-02-28T15:58:00.000-05:00If you call hot biscuits "biscuits of heat", you a...If you call hot biscuits "biscuits of heat", you are still calling them hot biscuits.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-76135665748196376162009-02-27T15:36:00.000-05:002009-02-27T15:36:00.000-05:00http://gawker.com/5152367/msnbc-host-sorry-he-call...http://gawker.com/5152367/msnbc-host-sorry-he-called-you-people-coloredArthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-56265061270662230002009-02-26T19:29:00.000-05:002009-02-26T19:29:00.000-05:00I wasn't the only one who noticed that you were th...I wasn't the only one who noticed that you were the first one to bring Jindahl's race (as a colored person) into the comments. <BR/><BR/>It isn't as bad as the other guy who chimed in with the thing about Obama and Holder only being chosen for their race, but it is along the same line.<BR/><BR/>There is plenty to say about Jindahl without bashing him for his race hidden behind levels of deniability.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-10815926584650412912009-02-26T16:46:00.000-05:002009-02-26T16:46:00.000-05:00Well, yes. The King quote applies here, and I disl...<I>Well, yes. The King quote applies here, and I dislike this as much as when Shaw played the colored-person race card on Jindahl.</I><BR/><BR/>dmarks, no matter how often you repeat that nonsense, it still won't make you right. I did not "play the race card" on Jindal.<BR/><BR/>Here is what I typed:<BR/><BR/><B>You can't choose your new leaders just because they're people of color and hope the American people notice you've caught up with the the Democratic Party.</B><BR/><BR/>I merely pointed out the fact that the GOP has now promoted two peopole WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE GOP FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS,and I'm asking why are they promoting them NOW, AFTER Barack Obama was elected president? Why weren't they given leadership positions, say, two years ago? I'm implying that the GOP saw that promoting people of color is now acceptable, so they're playing catch-up.<BR/><BR/><BR/>That is what I said. You keep misquoting and misrepresenting me.<BR/><BR/>Please stop.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-40555699044331132402009-02-26T16:44:00.000-05:002009-02-26T16:44:00.000-05:00Jeffs: I'd add to what Dmarks and Arthur said (as...Jeffs: I'd add to what Dmarks and Arthur said (as I rarely find them in agreeement), but I think they both nailed it.<BR/><BR/>Arthur and Dmarks: What you said.<BR/><BR/>Saty: Consider it disclaimed. I lose track once in a while. <BR/><BR/>101: There's a difference between rational discussion (peppered with copious dick and fart jokes) and "insane, deluded, and foolish" blather. Only the ignorant see me as the latter.Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-30574125711443909582009-02-26T16:21:00.000-05:002009-02-26T16:21:00.000-05:00Thanks for the clarification Patrick. You run a f...Thanks for the clarification Patrick. You run a fun and exciting blog. I appreciate your allowing me to post here.<BR/> Now if I could either get Jeff to clarify or delete his foolish rant Lent would be off to a good start.Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-23646404644337552832009-02-26T16:20:00.000-05:002009-02-26T16:20:00.000-05:00Why do all you liberalsBack the truck up there, Cl...Why do all you liberals<BR/><BR/>Back the truck up there, Cletus.<BR/><BR/>Don't be making these blanket generalizations about liberals.<BR/><BR/>I go to great pains to emphasize that not ALL conservatives/Republicans (regardless of the distinctions they hasten to make within their own ranks, the words mean the same to me) are bigoted,anti-environment, homophobic, Protestant, upper-class racists who believe that the rest of society is put there, Metropolis-esque, to provide for their every whim and so-called need at the expense of their own happiness, standard of living and general quality of life.<BR/><BR/>There's a lot of them, all right, but certainly not ALL of them.<BR/><BR/>And I would like to make that point and keep it perfectly clear.<BR/><BR/>Don't be making some kind of blanket accusations that by their very generality are patently untrue.<BR/><BR/>At least put in a disclaimer.Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-20245238906765993602009-02-26T16:18:00.000-05:002009-02-26T16:18:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Satyavati devi dasihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13980257934310271457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-51010438023135637942009-02-26T15:44:00.000-05:002009-02-26T15:44:00.000-05:00Thanks dmarks.Ditto back at you.Thanks dmarks.<BR/><BR/>Ditto back at you.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-78493980247506523402009-02-26T15:24:00.000-05:002009-02-26T15:24:00.000-05:00Arthur: Well stated.Arthur: Well stated.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-31365293951609737422009-02-26T15:23:00.000-05:002009-02-26T15:23:00.000-05:00Jeff: "Does anyone really believe Obama would have...Jeff: "Does anyone really believe Obama would have been elected in spite of his non-existent experience and his disgusting associations if he was white?"<BR/><BR/>Well, yes. The King quote applies here, and I dislike this as much as when Shaw played the colored-person race card on Jindahl.<BR/><BR/>As for Holder, the last thing I care about with him is his skin color. There are plenty of valid criticisms to be made of him without bashing him for being African-American.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-35588604825543889802009-02-26T15:21:00.000-05:002009-02-26T15:21:00.000-05:00Jeff Jots typed:'We have an “affirmative action” A...Jeff Jots typed:<BR/><BR/>'We have an “affirmative action” AG and an “affirmative action” President. Does anyone really believe Obama would have been elected in spite of his non-existent experience and his disgusting associations if he was white?'<BR/><BR/><BR/>Not content to leave well enough alone he added:<BR/><BR/>'We ARE a nation of cowards regarding race. We’re afraid to tell the truth.'<BR/><BR/>The truth is we still have a sizable number of bigots in this country.<BR/><BR/>And you're one of them.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-36058821596530353982009-02-26T14:28:00.000-05:002009-02-26T14:28:00.000-05:00Americans are very angry. But so many of us are af...Americans are very angry. <BR/>But so many of us are afraid to tell it like it is. Maybe Eric Holder is right? <BR/>Maybe we ARE a nation of cowards<BR/>We have an “affirmative action” AG and an “affirmative action” President. Does anyone really believe Obama would have been elected in spite of his non-existent experience and his disgusting associations if he was white?<BR/>We ARE a nation of cowards regarding race. We’re afraid to tell the truth.<BR/>I read somewhere on the other blog that we are expected to support Obama! <BR/>Why? Because he's the president. But we disagree with him on 90 percent of what he says and does. So why support him? <BR/>we don’t need a Jackson/Sharpton-style lecture on race. Barack Obama’s election was supposed to get us past that, wasn't he!<BR/>I don't blame people that ate angry. I know that I am as well.<BR/>Being critical of Holder is not enough - not nearly enough. The only reasonable response to that insane, nasty, stupid speech that Holder gave as Attorney General is to come to the conclusion that he is not fit for that job, exhibits some very scary and chilling attitudes about what task of the AG is and Justice, in general and must be taken out of the position. You can bet your life that if he were white and a republican there would be hell to be paid and he would have been asked to step down by now. <BR/>And another thing, Bobby Jindal was a disaster the other night. If we are going to win the white house back in 2010 with him, either Bobby Jindal better shape up or we better start thinking of someone else. because they will distroy him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-22124522733600232832009-02-26T07:45:00.000-05:002009-02-26T07:45:00.000-05:00BB: Correction, Joe the Plumber was the best that...BB: Correction, Joe the Plumber was the best that the McCain camp had to offer.<BR/><BR/>Shaw: You miss the point. An intelligent woman is an intelligent person. And we need more of them in government. <BR/><BR/>However, when you're talking about yummilicious babes, then I plead guilty to ogling. I have a dick.<BR/><BR/>But I don't let my trouser snake dictate whether I like a person's political views. It's one thing that keeps me watching Fox News. They've got some really smart hotties arguing both points. An example would be Kirsten Powers. She's liberal, I hardly agree with her, and if she were spouting her liberal insanity in a wet t-shirt, I'd be inclined to rub one out while disagreeing.<BR/><BR/>As for the race thing, Obama has certainly brought out the racists, as well as those with bad taste. It's not representative of the party as a whole and I won't defend a damn bit of that shit.<BR/><BR/>As for the song, we've been over this. It mocks a column from the LA times, Al Sharpton, and all the others obsessed with Barack's blackness and whether he's black enough, or acceptable to whites. And it's sung by an imitation of Al Sharpton to make that point.<BR/><BR/>And if I look back, who was it in this post that started on the race shit AGAIN? I'm not the one obsessing on it, or even giving a shit until it gets brought up. That's my point.<BR/><BR/>101: Let me clarify. The GOP hasn't obsessed on race and sex nearly as much as the Democrats. <BR/><BR/>Dmarks: <I>...I have never known of a person who was did not have a color.</I><BR/><BR/>You've never someone who's ass-white?!?!?!?Patrick Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16377933168305160179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-44231714357760856902009-02-26T05:51:00.000-05:002009-02-26T05:51:00.000-05:00(and no, I don't use either unless I am quoting so...(and no, I don't use either unless I am quoting someone else or referring to what someone said. The term is kind of silly, since I have never known of a person who was did not have a color).dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-41125126546672448522009-02-26T05:48:00.000-05:002009-02-26T05:48:00.000-05:00Arthur: people of color = colored people. I was no...Arthur: people of color = colored people. I was not the first.<BR/><BR/>"....colored person. Persons of color is the more accepted..."<BR/><BR/>They mean the same thing.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-85125801813999557892009-02-25T22:59:00.000-05:002009-02-25T22:59:00.000-05:00dmarks-What's the problem having an honest dis...dmarks-<BR/><BR/>What's the problem having an honest discussion which involves race? Before you go all MLK on us you are the one who used phrase colored person. Persons of color is the more accepted as it refers to all non-whites. <BR/><BR/>NAACP notwithstanding 'colored' is old fashioned & out of date.Arthurstonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01083956773592540646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-54069769786629627252009-02-25T22:22:00.000-05:002009-02-25T22:22:00.000-05:00Still doesn't make it OK to make the comments abou...Still doesn't make it OK to make the comments about Jindahl being a "colored" person.dmarkshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07269773990064736457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-42203889532987920332009-02-25T22:21:00.000-05:002009-02-25T22:21:00.000-05:00From one blogger to another Patrick. You can give ...From one blogger to another Patrick. You can give yourself a do over on the race and sex game comment. You're a busy man. We understand how you may in your zeal post something foolish like that.Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-59751804147724571072009-02-25T22:00:00.000-05:002009-02-25T22:00:00.000-05:00Oh. I forgot to include the link to the photo, re...Oh. I forgot to include the link to the photo, re: If Palin had all the same qualifications she has but looked like this:<BR/><BR/>http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1009798/img.jpg<BR/><BR/>None of the Republican men would have drooled over her.<BR/><BR/>Sexists? No one can beat you guys in that category.Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-4344499186005091492009-02-25T21:57:00.000-05:002009-02-25T21:57:00.000-05:00Shaw: This is what happens when a party that doesn...<I>Shaw: This is what happens when a party that doesn't play race and sex games (unlike the Democrats) tries to do so. It looks lame.</I><BR/><BR/>Please. I can't count the number of conservative men who went ga-ga over Palin because they thought she was "hawt." And Gordon couldn't keep his eyes off of the dominitrix black boots, thinking as many impure thoughts as he could manage. Sex card? Really Patrick? You yourself were having certain kinds of dreams over her.<BR/><BR/>Believe me, if Palin looked like this but had the same qualifications, you never would have given her a nanosecond of a thought.<BR/><BR/>And no race games? Really? I've lost count over the number of Republican officials, local and national, across this country who have made disgusting racial jokes about Obama and passed them along in emails. The lastest is the jerk from California who emailed a picture of the White House with watermelons growing on the front lawn. And the person running for RNC chairman passing around "Barack the Magic Negro?" and many, many others I've documented on my blog.<BR/><BR/>First thing out of one self-identified Republican guy's mouth, IIRC, when Obama got the nomination was his wondering if Obama won, if we could still call it the "White House."<BR/><BR/>The self-identified Republican guy in where? Georgia? selling "Curious George" monkey tee-shirts with Obama's face on the monkey?<BR/><BR/>Republicans have not been shy about making fun of Obama's race--it is documented all over the internet.<BR/><BR/>Where the heck have you been? Sticking you head up, I mean in the sand?Shaw Kenawehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08637273000409613497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1250195226200160668.post-67849646041376943332009-02-25T20:01:00.000-05:002009-02-25T20:01:00.000-05:00"As for the best the GOP has to offer, if you thin..."As for the best the GOP has to offer, if you think Jindal and Palin are it, then you're not paying attention." Er...Joe The Plumber?BB-Idahohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01168862935045755393noreply@blogger.com